Posted by Lani on August 16, 2000 at 01:09:04:
In Reply to: Re: Secret and Sacred posted by Lani on August 15, 2000 at 20:09:46:
Aloha Lani!
You know you believe, as you understand him at the moment, that he is huikau.
So instead of helping this honorable man to lokahi, you are causing him to be defensive. You need to ask him questions, not tell him things.
OK.
Standing Black bear:"Huna" is the religion offered by Kahuna Huna Max Freedom Long, who was initiated by Kahuna Nui William Tufts Brigham, who was initiated by the last of the native Hawaiian Kahuna I Ke Umu Ki.
Kahuna Nui Max Freedom Long initiated and adopted me, and Otha Wingo and Dolly Ware, at least.
If you have no respect for our lineage, why do you respect others?
I can only think of a racist doing that. It confuses me.
"Huna" is only the religion established by Kahuna Huna Nui Max Freedom Long. Incorporated in the State of California.
The anceint Hawaiian religious practices aren't called "Huna" and they never were (although they were huna = secret).
Huna IS related to Ho`omana as the Tahitian religion is related to the Maori religion. And the Hawaiian related to the Tahitian.
Some Kumu teach one thing, that makes their Path. To their haumana, it is true or they shouldn't be there.
The teaching of Ke Alanui I Pono Ia Huna is that one is derived from the other in a long chain of immigrations.
Those who hear this teaching and consume it (hau) are good Huna haumana, those who don't, aren't.
But who is right? It is a matter of faith.
So, yet, if Huna weren't called "Huna" but instead called "Ho`omana" or Hawaiian Huna or some such thing we two would be in agreement.
I read the story of a guy who had inherited the sacred pipe from his grandfather who had received it as a gift from Crazy Horse. The Sioux of today wanted it back.
I think this is wrong. If it had been stolen, then right, fine, but it wasn't. It was a gift from Carzy Horse. The modern Sioux, whom Crazy Horse had never met, denied his right to gift others with his things.
Likewise, an unnamed religioon was gifted to my kumu's kumu around 1890 (but we count it from 1872 when Dr. Brigham arrived).
We have understood it very differently from those we treceived it from.
We call it "Huna" an English word meaning the religious teachings of Kahuna Nui Max Freedom Long, whereas, if it was called anything in 1890, it was called "Ho`omana". This seems backwards to me. It seems to me, and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, that you are trying to force the Hawaiians to change Ho`omana into Huna, so that you can dishonor our kupuna?
(Our Kupuna and Kumu being Kahuna Vern Cameron, Kahuna Kahuna Fred Kimball, Kahuna Dr. Oscar Brunler, etc.)
Aloha,
Lani
PS: Please help me to understand you better.