Posted by Lani on April 13, 2001 at 01:11:45:
In Reply to: Re: The Huna Heiau's Holidays... What judgements? posted by Todd on April 07, 2001 at 08:04:58:
Posted by Todd on April 07, 2001 at 08:04:58:
In Reply to: Re: The Huna Heiau's Holidays... What judgments? posted by Martyn Caruthers on April 06, 2001 at 16:27:01:
Aloha Todd, first let me compliment you for your calmness and insight. It is always wonderful to see someone post who isn't a wannabe of some sort or the other. And isn't a coward and actually uses a NAME! LOL!!!
>I think I understand both the roots of Joel's query (though I don't favor its rudeness), and >Lani's defensiveness. At the risk of
>being too bold in speaking for someone else - please allow me to put a few thoughts >here for consideration, affirmation, or
>dispute.
>
>I gather from both Joel's use of the English language and his use of American slang (as >in "blew his brains out") that he is
>American, so I am (perhaps rashly) striding forward to place his inquiry within an >American philosophical framework. Writing as
>an American myself (and a "newbie" to much that is Huna), I have to admit >experiencing a degree of shock at learning from
>Joel's message that Max Freedom Long took his own life.
Thirty years ago I received a letter informing me of the manner of Max's death from a lady who was actually there at the time and found his body. Dolly Ware. She found the body. She says there was no mess, but that there was a miracle involved because there WASN'T any blood. No "brains blown out". The wannabe here, of course, disputed Dolly Ware. She was actually there, he wasn't, gee, who will I believe?
Ultimately, one will believe pretty much what one wants to believe. In my case, I believe the person who was actually there.
>Lani's response makes it clear that at least a part of the reason for
>Max's choice was his failure to "alter Huna from the HRA into an effective FHF" (and >my apologies here for being too new to
>all this to know what the FHF was intended to be).
Yes, and I've discussed this with Dr. E. Otha Wingo of the HRI.
Max attempt to alter the HRA research organization into a normal, "community based" Church caused a revolt in the membership, who were in Huna mostly for their own aggrandizement and not the succor of others.
The HRA blocked his further progress with huna as a religion, his main wife, Louise had died, he had incurable cancer in his leg. Huna healing practices didn't heal it. Jose Silva was doing experiments with his "Mind Control" based largely on Huna. He set up speakers and played his healing sounds through them. But that didn't help either.
Time to check out!
Before he left us, he sent me a letter encouraging me to start the Huna Heiau Church. I sent a copy of that letter to Dr. Wingo at HRI.
>When you bounce the suicide of a spiritual leader due to a failed endeavor
>against one of the more admirable of American values - that being persistence in the >face of adversity - a paradox begins to
>surface. Why would someone who spent his life researching and disseminating >information promising to help us become wiser,
>more effective, and more peaceful human beings at some point just totally give up?
What makes you think he gave up? In the huna teachings, we are immortal, switching back and forth between world, from "life" in the Created World to life in the "Eternal World".
Huna is a Warrior's Path, and teaches the mental practice of "wale".
"Wale" means to see things exactly as they are, with any emotions colorations of "filters".
His Path at this time in the Created World had ended. He took responsibility for his life. A good thing, and it keeps the riffraff out.
>Why didn't his beliefs lend him the faith,
>understanding, and courage to persevere? It may be an unfair question, and perhaps >there is even a good answer - but there it
>hangs. And I think that is the question that is buried somewhere beneath Joel's >somewhat caustic challenge.
His Path was at an end for this "life". He continues to persevere. That's why he told us he was coming back with the True believers in Huna.
> Max had the greatest sense of humor of anyone I have ever met. >so, a certain amount of >defensiveness on Lani's part, while The thing that miffs me about the Joel is that he is blinded by the light which was Max. Huna, according to Max, was founded by Kahuna I Ke Umu Ki William Tufts Brigham. Max just named it and tidied up Kahuna William's system. Then can Baron Eugene Fersen to train Max in mana. Then the other co-founders came along: Kahuna Fred Kimball, Kahuna Oscar Brunler, Kahuna Beau Kitselman, Kahuna Elizabeth Kingsley-Tarpey, Kahuna Nora Weeks, Kahuna Vern Cameron, and all the rest. They all have as much to do with Huna as Max Freedom Long did, although he held the center, but why just single Max out and leave all the rest of our founders out of the picture? Almost all of us are dead now, why concentrate on just one man's death? And what business is it of his anyway? For Joel, Huna is a urinal. You OTOH deserve to know the truth. You're trying to understand what happened. > Aloha, a hui hou, Lani
>Now, that addresses the portion of what Joel communicated overtly in his question. His >was a double message, though; in
>addition to his explicit question, Joel delivered an implicit insult in his phrasing of it. >The tone of Joel's question carries the
>mind isn't called for. Not even the people closest to a person who takes his/her own life >usually understand completely why
>attempted to take their own lives, I know it isn't accurate to say that a suicidal human >must be weak, despondent, or spiritually
>empty - though they may of course be any of those things. Lani did know Max >personally, and quite likely possesses a sense of
>personal affection in addition to his devotion to Max's teachings;
>maybe not saintly, is certainly understandable.
>Anyway, those are my thoughts on this whole affair. If I've seriously misrepresented >anyone, I apologize, but I hope this
>provides something helpful to think about. >
>
>Aloha,
>Todd
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