Posted by Lani on August 27, 2000 at 23:07:35:
In Reply to: Re: Let's talk about healings! posted by Phil on August 25, 2000 at 23:10:35:
Posted by Phil on August 25, 2000 at 23:10:35:
In Reply to: Re: Let's talk about healings! posted by Lani on August 24, 2000 at 20:04:17:
>>Aloha Lani,
At least we get to wrestle! I'm so happy. Maybe I'll learn something more from you! :)
>>Hmmm not so much into wrestling but a little dharma combat never goes amiss…
"Dharma" = fated, inevitable. Really? Well I suppose so.
The Mana Infusion taught in Huna, originally by Max Freedom Long, as taught to him by the Huna Kupuna, Baron Eugene Fersen.
>Is this the same guy who authored the title "Science of Being"?
Yes, it was he in Honolulu during Max's living there that he taught Max the first training in the accumulation and uses of a mana surcharge. Which eventuated into Max's altering of it into a little scalpel for use in religious healing.
>Ok Lani... your bandying terms around here without any clarification I don't think I understand a "MAZEWAY" please define it
Simply… that means in a few words or sentences. I know your penchant for long answers (this is not a criticism just a gentle teasing)
:) OK, I'll try, but remember that there is a LOT more to it than this:
Mazeway: what is a Mazeway?
The defining quality of a religion is the presence or absence of a Mazeway. Anything that has a Mazeway is a religion; anything that doesn't have a Mazeway is not a religion.
We go through our lives, and are forced to make all kinds of decisions about it, the ultimate consequences of which are unknown to us until the cusp or point of choice is long behind us. Hence we all perceive our lives as being lived in a maze.
When life is easy, and we find plenty of food, shelter, family, love, sex etc., then there is little need for a Mazeway, and therefore little need for religion.
But when life becomes tough and needs are not fulfilled, and then we all need a map to our maze, a Mazeway.
When things get tough, and needs are not being met, then we can say that the individual or society has lost Mazeway. In other words, they have lost themselves.
Under such circumstances, there is a shrill desire to look to the past for clues to where needs were fulfilled before. This results in atavistic religious movements.
The unfortunate thing is that most of these atavistic religious movements, because they are so shrill, tend to be externalizing. In that sense they tend to lead to fundamentalism, and in its leaders, fanaticism. This also means that they come under the general dynamics of organizations set forth in Dr. Eric Berne's book, "The Structure and Dynamics of Groups and Organizations". In other words, such movements tend to need to have hard-defined borders of who is and is not a member of the group. And this includes the development of an external apparatus to deal with outsiders, and an internal apparatus to deal with the membership of the group.
On the other hand, a religion that is internalized can afford to be relaxed, and doesn't need to define itself through whom it excludes.
All religions that are internalizing concern themselves with the question, 'How do I live a better life?'. Unfortunately, externalizing religions, while pretending to pander to that idea, are really about, 'How do I force that outsider to live up to the religious standards which I may or may not be living up to?"
This is always at least jealousy, but it many times leads a person into envy. In jealousy one covets what another person has, who has not lived up to the person's self-imposed standards. While in envy the other person is hated because they have what the other person secretly wants. This is like two people coveting another's new car. The jealous person will merely resent the owner; the envious one will attack the car, perhaps scratching it with his key, in effect saying, "If I can't have that car, then neither can you.
The internalizing person is too busy trying to learn how to drive his new car better to have the time to be either envious or jealous.
Likewise the fanatic is one who uses his religion to bolster his already held prejudices. What one author I read calls a "True Faith Holder", as the fanatic, is willing to die for his religion. The difference is that the True Faith Holder has internalized the teachings of his religion. He allows that teaching to inform his conscience. And when he runs into conflicts with the Teaching and his own previously held prejudices, he will drop those prejudices, and allow himself to be taught by his religion.
The person who externalizes his religion spends his time "correcting" other people's behaviors. The person who internalizes his religion doesn't have the spare time to run after others---he's too busy working on himself.
The Fanatic and the True Faith Holder may both become leaders in their respective religions. Both may die for them, or lead others. But only the True Faith Holder will prevail in leading a better life for himself, and those who follow him.
The True Faith Holder---the Kanaka Makua in Huna terms---has become his religion.
Probably one way to distinguish a Fanatic from a True Faith Holder is that the latter leads primarily by example, and doesn't ask that anyone else follow him or her. While the Fanatic needs the crowd.
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But the presence of a Mazeway (the Huna Heiau has one, the HRI does not) is only the beginning. What is beyond? Well,
religious competence. For me, there is an "iron triangle" foundation with upholds any religion. Without any legs, IMHO that
Religion is to that extent incompetent: Religious Healings, Exorcisms, and Firewalking.
Are these three things at the end here the legs of your triangle?
"The effects you describe are common, any good energy healer be they a
Chi Kung master, polarity therapist, spiritual or magnetic healer will get a similar effect. I am
None to sure where religion fits into the effects of life energy on physical trauma....
There is no "energy Effect" without the mana of Io.
No problem here I don't dispute the source of mana.
Reiki is a religion, all the other ones you mention is a religion too.
Whoa! As I imagine your have looked at the rest of this website you must realize I am a master level practitioner and teacher of Polarity Therapy...
Oh sure! Hold that over my head, why don't you? :)
Max used to say that I was like Esmeralda the elephant. That I believed that I knew everything about everything, and of those this which I knew I didn't know, I had grave suspicions!
I don't know much about the internal workings of Polarity Therapy. Just some of its results. But I ran into the same thing with every Reiki Master I ever met. THEN one day, Rev. Fowler confided Reiki's Mazeway to me!
And he still argued fiercely with me about it being a religion and what a Mazeway meant and all. He was degreed in Theology, and hadn't run across the term in college.
SO WHO WAS RIGHT? Me or the Reiki Masters who rejected the Reiki Moral teachings while maintaning its ethical teachings?
I did. And now instead of selling insurance and healing on the side, he is the local Minister of a Unitarian Universalist Church. And still maintains a Reiki practice there, and teaches others.
I'm rather proud of Rev. Fowler. He actually cured a guy of Diabetes! I've never been able to do that! He thinks I'm a better healer than he is. But while I honor him by accepting his honoring of me. The truth is that we are both merely competent.
>Why would you define it as a religion?
Because it fitted my point. I am now, thanks to you, no longer gravely suspicious that it is a religion. It may not be. But I'm still a little suspicious.
>I consider Polarity as a secular practice that touches the divine but is not a religion. Just an excellent system of energy healing.
"Energy", you mean mana or Grace? So you heal by God's Grace. PT trains you how to accomplish that connection with God. But it isn't a religion? OK, fine, whatever you say.
>A parallel and story. Back in 1986 I treated a young 19yr old man called George who
listened to two of my lectures on Polarity Therapy at a residential alternative medical facility in the UK. He had advanced Hodgkins disease (cancer) and had had chemo radiation etc. He was told that without a bone marrow transplant he would only
live at most 6 months. His decision was that he wasn't going to take that path (its an extreme treatment which only offered another five years at most) and was going on a tour around Europe with some friends and that then when too ill he would come home and die. He told me he had no interest in treatment and didn't believe in this thing called energy. However, after the 2 nd lecture he said ok... I'll have a session. , I treated him using some basic Polarity energy balancing techniques. He lay there quietly.
At the end of the session he sat up said to me. Now I have a problem. I asked why he said that he had felt things in his body that he had not believed were possible. Whole body pulsation, immense heat, cold flowing sensations etc. He said it called into
question all his beliefs about what was and was not possible in terms of healing alternatives…
I only ever saw him that one time. 2 weeks later his parents called me to say he was going in for the bone marrow transplant because he needed more time to explore other possibilities. He wanted me to go and treat him in hospital (which isn't legal in the
UK). I would have done it but I had a very busy practice and I lived some 150 miles from his home in London and it just wasn't possible… I don't know the end of the story… one could guess not and be right or wrong...
That's a bummer isn't it? I've thought about that many times, here is a case of mine in point:
"Mononucleosis and Kidney Failure"
Jim was 17 years old, and an athlete. When he came to the Huna Life Support Center he had been diagnosed at Kaiser Hospital in Fontana, CA, with severe mononucleosis. His prognosis was poor. His Doctor had told him he would have to stay in bed for at least six months, and even then he would never fully recover. He would never be active in sports again. He had an infection in his bladder and blood stream. His left kidney had failed and begun to putrefy. As they were preparing to surgically remove it, the right one also failed.
In addition, he had a very difficult time being in any hospital at all. No doubt due to the time when he was twelve years old, sick in the hospital, and through a series of blunders, one of his testicles was accidentally removed.
Hoping his overall health would improve enough so that he could endure surgery, they sent him home to his family for the weekend. I saw him first on Saturday. I worked on him for ten hours then followed it up with another six hours on Sunday. On Monday, he went into Kaiser for a series of tests. On Wednesday he was to meet with his doctor for the evaluation of those tests and to schedule the removal of both of his kidneys.
When he came into his doctor's office, his doctor was acting a little strangely. He asked Jim's parents to leave the two of them alone.
"Jim", his doctor said, "are you seeing someone other than me?"
Jim was worried now, but told him the truth, "Yes", Jim said.
His doctor said, "I don't want to know anything about it. I don't want to know who it is, or what he is doing. But don't stop going to him. You no longer have any infections in your blood or bladder. You no longer have any sign of mononucleosis and both of your kidneys are operating perfectly. In fact, there is no sign of any disease at all.
That Friday night, Jim participated in an athletic event, which left him a little more tired than usual, and that was the last symptom he ever had.
I had used massive infusions of mana, as well as Pastoral Counseling, and Bach Flower Remedies to do the healing.
COMMENT: This was the first time a medical doctor had ever witnessed the power of Huna Healing.
With scientific validation of the effectiveness of my work, I had expected the medical profession to be more than casually interested in these healing techniques. Science however had disappointed me.
Later on I was to have more proof that Science is not a search for the Truth, but a way to maintain itself. Anyone who rocks the boat is suppressed by being threatened with the loss of Scientific Standing, i.e., the right to publish...
His real name is Dale. his parents hated me, so I had to with until they left for a time until I could see Dale, and work on him. They left for the weekend. I worked on him for 12 hours on a Saturday. And for about 6 hours on that Sunday. Then they came home, and I had to climb out his bedroom window!
Then I never heard from him again for SEVEN YEARS!
That was the first time I knew he was still alive, and what had happened to his tests at Kaiser Hospital.
But you see, Phil, that's the thing. Dale had thought about that healing for that seven years before he called me up and said he wanted to see me.
It had taken him that long to first believe that I had done anything at all, then to watch himself gain faith.
Not in Huna, neither Randy nor Dale ever looked into it. But in the kindness and acceptance of them by God and his Created World.
Randy's wounds would have healed, albeit more slowly, without my intervention, but would the wounding and lokahi`ole of his heart have healed?
Randy was about 24, Dale about 17, do you not know people much older than that who have not learned of the goodness of Io and His Created World, which we inhabit?
In the story you shared of your young friend, it seems to me that you missed the point: was he affected by the idea that there is sometimes healings in the world, or that there is SOMETHING which heals? Something who knows him, and through aloha, tries to help him.
And if the end, this time around, has come for your young friend, who sends his Final Friend to take him to Paradise?
Indeed, when he falls out of his not-functioning body, into who arms will he fall?
>A question of religious competence? I don't think so.
Then you're wrong. Each of us is better fitted for a certain condition and person than others. Why the differences?
You and I BOTH have to learn to be this anuenue between the wounding and Io. Can Io and mana cure everything? I don't know.
But a LOT depends on the power not of Io, but the anuenue, and also the level of lokahi (here, rapport). Then there is the inbred talent and submission to the training of the healer, etc.
I have also had failures. Many times I don't understand why, since I handled the same disease before and got good results.
My competence increases as I pursue the Huna disciplines of the breathing technique and the Single Point Concentration taught by Max and therefore Huna.
Huna will get better over time and the experience of its Kahunas.
But if, say, the Methodists don't even try to help and heal. Then to me, it is a religion, but it isn't a very competent one.
>The power of mana. Yes. I learned many things personally from the
experience though …about cancer, life, death, and choice belief, possibilities...
If you learn how to live a better life through you attempts at being of service to others. Then why deny the religion of it?
a hui hou
Phil
Aloha,
Your pal,
Lani