Posted by Phil on August 25, 2000 at 23:10:35:
In Reply to: Re: Let's talk about healings! posted by Lani on August 24, 2000 at 20:04:17:
Aloha Lani,
At least we get to wrestle! I'm so happy. Maybe I'll learn something more from you! :)
Hmmm not so much into wrestling but a little dharma combat never goes amiss…
The Mana Infusion taught in Huna, originally by Max Freedom Long, as taught to him by the Huna Kapuna, Baron Eugene Fersen.
Is this the same guy who authored the title "Science of Being" ?
Ah the crux of the post (for me). What IS a religion? How can the teachings of the HRI (which are not religious) be the same teachings of the Huna Heiau (which ARE religious)?
If a system has a Mazeway, then it is a religion. All religions always have Mazeways. If a system doesn't have a Mazeway, it isn't a religion.
Ok lani.. your bandying terms around here without any clarification I don't think I understand a "MAZEWAY" please define it simply… that means in a few words or sentences. I know your penchant for long answers (this is not a criticism just a gentle teasing)
But the presence of a Mazeway (the Huna Heiau has one, the HRI does not), is only the beginning. What is beyond? Well, religious competence. For me, there is an "iron triagle" foundation whith upholds any religion. Without any legs, IMHO that religion is to that extent incompetent: Religious Healings, Exorcisms, Firewalking.
Are these three things at the end here the legs of your triangle?
"The effects you describe are common, any good energy healer be they a
chi kung master, polarity therapist, spritual or magnetic healer will get a similar effect. I am
none to sure where religion fits into the effects of life eneregy on physical trauma....
There is no "energy Effect" without the mana of Io.
No problem here I don't dispute the source of mana.
Reiki is a religion, all the other ones you mention is a religion too.
Whoa! As I imagine your have looked at the rest of this website you must realize I am a master level practitioner and teacher of Polarity Therapy.. Why would you define it as a religion.? I consider Polarity as a secular practice that touches the divine but is not a religion. Just an excellent system of energy healing.
GOD is always willing to accept us, unconditionally, and pour forth the wondrous energy
of mana whenever we need it. As long as we call it "energy" though we may be misled.
Let's call it what it is called in Theology-Grace, or in Polynesia and Huna, "mana".
For me however, I see Reiki as a religion because I think that its Mazeway is its MOST
important aspect.
Ok I understand this part of the post relates to Reiki which I don't practise but again.. Mazeway??.
SO for me, the story has a climax in Randy's comments to me at the end. THAT'S what was really important. A young man---a person---without faith, saw faith grow into him now.And because of that faith, be brought closer to Io and have a higher quality of life. He was a man, knew the world, and about all it contained. Now, once again, he had to become as a child. And the world, once so mundane, was now filled with wonder, and miracles, and the potentials undreamed of.His arrogance shattered, and he became ready to be surprised by it.
I understand this part of your story. A parallel and story. Back in 1986 I treated a young 19yr old man called George who listened to two of my lectures on Polarity Therapy at a residential alternative medical facility in the UK. He had advanced Hodgkins disease (cancer) and had had chemo radiation etc. He was told that without a bone marrow transplant he would only live at most 6 months. His decision was that he wasn't going to take that path (its an extreme treatment which only offered another five years at most) and was going on a tour around Europe with some friends and that then when too ill he would come home and die. He told me he had no interest in treatment and didn't believe in this thing called energy. However, after the 2 nd lecture he said ok.. Ill have a session. , I treated him using some basic Polarity energy balancing techniques. He lay there quietly. At the end of the session he sat up said to me. Now I have a problem. I asked why he said that he had felt things in his body that he had not believed were possible. Whole body pulsation, immense heat, cold flowing sensations etc. He said it called into question all his beliefs about what was and was not possible in terms of healing alternatives…...
I only ever saw him that one time. 2 weeks later his parents called me to say he was going in for the bone marrow transplant because he needed more time to explore other possibilities. He wanted me to go and treat him in hospital (which isn't legal in the UK). I would have done it but I had a very busy practice and I lived some 150 miles from his home in London and its just wasn't possible… I don't know the end of the story… one could guess iot and be right or wrong..
A question of religious competence? I don't think so. The power of mana. Yes. I learned many things personally from the experience though …..about cancer, life, death, choice belief, possibilities……
a hui hou
Phil