Posted by Lani on August 24, 2000 at 20:04:17:
In Reply to: Re: Let's talk about healings! posted by Phil on August 23, 2000 at 19:33:36:
Aloha Phil,
At least we get to wrestle! I'm so happy.
Maybe I'll learn something more from you! :)
"Hi Lani,
"Interesting healing but your being to vague. What techniques are you using specifically?"
The Mana Infusion taught in Huna, originally by Max Freedom Long, as taught to him by the Huna Kapuna, Baron Eugene Fersen.
"You say
"The removal of the swelling and the black and blue marks is very
significant."
Yes, it precludes any possibility of the problem being "psycho-somatic".
"You might think about the ideas expressed by our frind,
the Nameless One, Eric. The removal of all the pain just might have
been some kind of very rare Plecabo effect, but the un-swelling and
the removal of the black and blue area too? No. It is a matter of
religious competence."
"Firstly As to Eric, have I missed something who is Eric?
Oops! I meant to edit that out, then forgot about it! Egad! This was originally weritten with Eric the skeptic in mind. We were posting on another ml.
>>>>>>>>"Also I dont quite understand the reference to religious competence as you seem to be
applying it here.
Ah the crux of the post (for me). What IS a religion? How can the teachings of the HRI (which are not religious) be the same teachings of the Huna Heiau (which ARE religious)?
What IS a religion? What is its defining characteristic? If a system has a Mazeway, then it is a religion. All religions always have Mazeways. If a system doesn't have a Mazeway, it isn't a religion.
But the presence of a Mazeway (the Huna Heiau has one, the HRI does not), is only the beginning. What is beyond? Well, religious competence. For me, there is an "iron triagle" foundation whith upholds any religion. Without any legs, IMHO that religion is to thast extent incompetent: Religious Healings, Exorcisms, Firewalking.
"The effects you describe are common, any good energy healer be they a
chi kung master, polarity therapist, spritual or magnetic healer will get a similar effect. I am
none to sure where religion fits into the effects of life eneregy on physical trauma....
There is no "energy Effect" without the mana of Io.
Reiki is a religion, all the other ones you mention is a religion too.
A friend of mine, who is a Reiki Master translated the ideas of the Reiki Mazeway carved into the headstone of the grave of its founder, if you are unfamiliar with the moral teachings of the Reiki Religion, just let me know, and I post them right away.
But I wrote this about the Mazeway and Reiki:
GOD is always willing to accept us, unconditionally, and pour forth the wondrous energy
of mana whenever we need it. As long as we call it “energy” though we may be misled.
Let’s call it what it is called in Theology—Grace, or in Polynesia and Huna, “mana”.
Perhaps your current understanding of Reiki is that it is a healing modality. The fact that
the Reiki Mazeway is carved into the founder of Reiki's tombstone, is therefore of little or
no significance peerhaps to you.
Yes. For you Reiki is not a religion, but akin to Chiropractics or Dentistry.
For me however, I see Reiki as a religion because I think that its Mazeway is its MOST
important aspect.
You may say that the Mazeway of Reiki has no commandments that
are enforced by God.
Perhaps so, but I wonder:
Let's say that there were two brothers living in Canada. Perhaps Pete and Repeat could
be their names.
Now Pete is a realist and materialist. But Repeat has a spiritual/religious leaning. So
Repeat went several times to, say, a UU Church. There he heard several sermons on the
Reiki Mazeway.
He fell in love with the Reiki religion, and from faith, inculcated all the five "Laws of
Reiki".
Then the two brothers decided to travel around the world together. In Burma they are
arrested for having some Pot, and put into a prison there.
The brothers are identical in DNA, and in their current environment. Are their
experiences identical?
No, I don't think so.
Pete spends all day letting the other prisoners know that they are all losers and lamers,
and that he doesn't have any respect for the guards.
Repeat lets everyone he meets know that they are loveable and that he respects them.
So no, I don't think their experience of the prison is identical.
Now Pete thinks they will die there in that stinking prison. Repeat has FAITH that the
Greater Power is at work somehow, and that everything will somehow come out all right
in the end.
Repeat is wrong. They both die on the same day from machine gun practice the guards
were having.
Pete dies with a frown on his face. He really knows the truth about life now, and so he
hates life.
But what of Repeat? He died still thinking that everything was going to be all right in
the end. He still had a smile on his face. He was loving life, but at the same time, didn't
resent having to give it up.
But why? (NOT A SIMPLE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD
QUESTION!!!)
Why should Pete and Repeat's lives be so different in the
same circumstances?
It COULD be said, couldn't it, that God was punishing Pete for his attitudes? Yes, one
could say that.
Or one could say that the "world" was punishing Pete. After all Repeat had many
friends in prison---even though his Fate didn't recommend itself to him.
But then Io or whatever you might call Him, made the Created World, and therefore it
reflects God's character. And therefore whatever happens in the Created World reflects
back on Him.
So, I really wonder, is the Reiki Mazeway really so optional?
Or is it utterly and completely necessary?
It all depends on one's POV I guess.
You see Phil. Huna, as all religions, concerns itself to the question, "How do I live a better life?" The Mazeway answers that.
A person perhaps needs to understand that he is a wanted being in the world, he is wounded or sick, and doubts, as do the doctors that he will every be healthy again. Where is his faith in Io?
He seeks out a Kahuna and the Kahuna heas him, perhaps. Then he knows what he could only guess at before.
But perhaps his body if fine, but his soul is sickened by the a possessing presense? Then he finds a Kahuna Huna Koa to perform a Kala (Exorcism) on him. And perhaps he is driven sane again. Then he knows that he has been touched by the wings of his Aumakua, which was only a theory before. There isd his faith now.
But what is a person isn't sich or wounded in body or soul? What then for his faith, upon which the quality of his lifetime depends?
For him, there is the Firewalk. In which Huna was forged so long ago, in Hilo...
And yes, I know that there are those in Reiki who don't follow the Mazeway or moral teachings of Reiki.
But I'm not in charge of anyone's life but my own.
SO for me, the story has a climax in Randy's comments to me at the end.
It is here that I was slightly let down by you and the obvious weakness of my story telling capabilities.
Randy never sought out a Healer of any sort. Never would have. His friend talked him into permitting me to try to help him, but only on a lark.
THAT'S what was really important. A younf man---a person---without faith, saw faith grow into him now.
And because of that faith, be brought closer to Io and have a higher quality of life.
He was a man, knew the world, and about all it contained. Now, once again, he had to become as a child. And the world, once so mundane, was now filled with wonder, and miracles, and the potentials undreamed of.
His arrogance shattered, and he became ready to be surprised by it.
Aloha,
Lani